Does absorption rune stack with Knight Armor dmg reduction? - Guild Wars Forums

Kingsly · May 17, 2005, 02:28 PM // 14:28

Since Knight Armor set already comes with damage reduction built into the armor.

1. Does the abosorption rune you apply to the armor stacks on top of the existing damage reduction built in?

2. If I add the absorption rune to the head piece, does it apply to the entire set of armor?

Thanks!

Striker Shardale · May 17, 2005, 02:36 PM // 14:36

1- If it is the armor with the damage reduction, yes
2- The rune applies to you and does not stack with any rune, in other words...

you can apply two runes of absorption onto two different pieces of armor but they will not work together, only one will work and it goes towards all damage dealt to you.

Tormunda · May 17, 2005, 02:36 PM // 14:36

1: I would say yes! As runes stack with other in built abilities. Runes give a prefix or sufix that cannot stack with others of the same and can only be replaced on an item.

2: Yes! As this is a rune ability and they do not stack with others of the same type across your whole equipment list. Highest wins!

Kingsly · May 17, 2005, 03:02 PM // 15:02

Thanks alot for helping out!

Manderlock · May 17, 2005, 03:15 PM // 15:15

Are yall shure about that, I was under the impression that there was no stacking period. I thought that Ensign did all of the math on it.

Striker Shardale · May 17, 2005, 03:21 PM // 15:21

There is stacking in this situation... in a sense. The Knight Armor normally has the ability to reduce dmge without the rune, basically with the addition of the reduction rune it enhances it. Runes themselves do not stack if they are of the same type, it is true but the armor is not a rune. Either way you are only able to have one of the absorption runes on your character at a time, well you can have more of the runes but only the highest powered one will work.

seekg · May 17, 2005, 04:35 PM // 16:35

Ok, now that we've agreed that a piece of absorption armor (ascalon or knight) can stack with one absorption rune.

Does 1 Piece of Knight armor (or ascalon) 'stack' with the other Knights armor (or ascalon) ?

To the best of my knowledge, the answer is NO - you just get the 'natural' absorption from one piece of armor.

So it appears ONE piece of knights or ascalon armor plus ONE absorption rune on any of the five pieces of armor would provide the optimal absorption, yes?

Then, your remaining 4 armor slots you can fill with higher defense or higher armor vs physical (as compared to the lower knights or ascalon)

Yes?

-seekg

Kingsly · May 17, 2005, 06:51 PM // 18:51

The absorption rune will reduce damage done to all armor slots, not just the one you applied it to. I think that's the consensus so far.

seekg · May 17, 2005, 08:12 PM // 20:12

Kingsly:

Right - but my question is.

Ignore absorption runes for the moment -

Will a full knights set give five times the absorption of one piece ? Or will only one piece count?

That's my question.

Thanks,
seekg

Skrilling · May 18, 2005, 07:02 AM // 07:02

Well, This depends on a something that hase been debated back and forth for a while and that is how does armor work? There have been 4 ideas, one of which has been disproven but the other 3 still remain. They are:

1) there is a certian chance that an attack will hit a certain piece of armor (chest with highest chance, legs next, etc.) And that the damage you recieve is based on the stats of that piece (which supports the full kinghts suit).

2)The armor is an average of the armor you are wearing (calculated like morrowind for example). So, if you wear 1 piece vs all pieces, you will be hit for more, but you will be hit consistantly instead of 4 hits for 30, 1 hit for 2. This would partially support the full knights suit, as to get the full effect, you would need 1 absorb on every piece, with effectiveness deacreasing with fewer pieces.

3) The armor part is calculated in either of the previous 2 fashions, but the runes are not. This would mean that your best build would be 1 superior absorb rune, 1 piece of knights armor (becuase of the str rune on a str +1 hat effect,e.g. they stack) and the rest Platemail or Wyvern armor (for the +20 to physical or 85 base).

So it all depends on what you think is right.

BigRagu · May 18, 2005, 09:07 AM // 09:07

how any1 ever tested these concepts............. im hoping to try it today........

seekg · May 18, 2005, 12:52 PM // 12:52

Right now I'm using

Duelists Helm (80 +20) - Major Vigor
Gladiators Hauberk (80 +20 +3 energy) - Minor Tactics
Gladiators Gauntlets (80 +20 +1 energy) - Minor Strength
Gladiators Leggings (80 +20 +2 energy) - Major Absorption
Knights Boots (80 +10 -Damage Received) - Major Swordsmanship

Seems to be working pretty well.... not sure if optimal. Will get superior vigor and absorption when I get the money.

-seekg

Bgnome · May 18, 2005, 01:54 PM // 13:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ensign

Second, an update on how Ascalon armor works. Basically, each piece of armor acts as though it has a Rune of Minor Absorption in it, meaning that all damage you take is reduced by 2, regardless of hit location. These bonuses stack neither with each other, nor with Absorption runes. Practically, this means that the Ascalon and Knight's armors are completely useless. Multiple pieces of either have zero benefit, and once you have a rune of Absorption the bonus of either suit is redundant. Your best course of action? Grab a pair of Ascalon Boots early in the game for the easy damage reduction, then ignore the set entirely.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?p=25759

BigRagu · May 18, 2005, 06:53 PM // 18:53

i disagree with the last post......... he tested the damage differences on flash gargoyles........ i noticed when fighting low lvl char with a lvl 20 somethings are different........ for example....... i was helping a friend and i was fighting charr......... i would reg attack for 110 then use a skill that hits for extra damage.... i would only hit with the skill for about 70........ with is totally backwards....... i think this would need to be tested on monsters around lvl 20 to hold any weight........... if your going to test armors on low lvls then use low lvl armors...............i'm hoping to test this today.............

Lifire · May 19, 2005, 07:42 AM // 07:42

Can anyone get a direct answer from the dev. team? I sure would like to know, rather than guess or believe one side over the other. Some guy's test says they don't stack, someone else says they do...

Lifire · May 19, 2005, 10:53 PM // 22:53

Well since SO many people would like to know, yet no one knows for sure, I decided to break down, take the time and money to test this.

Ensign was mostly right in his post about this.

I tested first with a full set of ringmail (AL 50) and 2 pieces of ascalon armor (with reduces dmg from attacks). Both have the same AL (verse magic), so things could be consistent.

To be straightforward, ascalon pieces do NOT stack with one another. IE. you get the full effect from just one piece. Additionally, I had not know this before, so I did not get a result for the next question, but absorbion runes ONLY absorb PHYSICAL damage! I tested this with 2 pairs of regular ringmail with one having an absorbtion rune. I got hit by several ice golem water tridents, which have a consistent damage (unlike physical). The damage was the same throughout.

I then took an average of physical attacks with the 2 different pieces from several types of mobs (ice golems, sand drakes), the minor absorbtion rune reduces PHYSICAL damage by 2, equivalent to ascalon armor. I assume major abs = -3 and superior -4 but did not test, as I don't want to buy another chest plate

I also tested the absorbtion rune versus aftershock (sand drakes) and found the damage to be consistent with and without.

I equipped a full set of droknar's plate (85 +10 physical) except for the chest (most often hit piece), which was AL 50 (+20 vs physical). I had a second AL 50 chest piece with an absorbtion rune in it. I MADE EXTRA sure that aftershock hit the chest piece because the damage was almost double that of any other piece (59 on any piece except armor but 125 on chest). I then switched to the chest piece with the abs rune and recieved 125 when it hit the chest (where it should have been 123 like it was with an ascalon piece).

So, the only thing I am left wondering is if ascalon stacks with absorb runes in the sense that one reduces damage from all attacks (ascalon or knight) and one reduces only physical. If this is the case, the most suitable armor at level 20 is 1 piece of knight for dmg reduction verse magical (-2) and a full set of plate with a superior abs rune for -4 physical.

A quick summary because this is a lot to take in and probably confusing:

*Ascalon and knights pieces do NOT stack with one another. If you MUST have this armor, get only ONE piece!
*Absorbtion runes only absorb physical damage (as seen versus water trident and aftershock). The only thing I can think of why this might not be the case is if those attacks ignore absorbtion, which is doubtful as ascalon and knights reduces the damage by 2 whereas abs runes do not.
*Minor absorbtion runes reduce physical damage taken by 2.

I might test knights+abs rune later tonight. If anyone would like to verify these results, please do and GL.

Edit: Also not sure if knight absorbs more than ascalon, will test that too.

adam.skinner · May 26, 2005, 12:52 PM // 12:52

Any update on if absorbtion runes stack with ascalon/knight's armor?

Also, how does this stack with Shielding Hands?

Lim-Dul · Jun 01, 2005, 10:40 PM // 22:40

OK guys - let me get this straight.
It's true that each part of the Knight's/Ascalon Armor DOESN'T reduce dmg globally, but it does reduce it locally.
It is also true that ir DOES stack with any absorption rune. People who claim that wearing one piece of Ascalon/Knight's Armor to get its full effect is enough are talking pure nonsense - I know that for 110% - ask the devs if you don't belive me.
The thing is: there ARE hit locations in GW - if you're using only one piece of armor you'll get the dmg reduction only if you're hit in this specific part of your body.

To sum up: if you're wearing a knight's set with a rune of superior absorption you have a dmg reduction of 5 all over your body - if you have just one piece, then you get a dmg reduction of 5 on THAT specific part of your body and just 3 on all the others (cause runes DO work globally). Not only has this been semi-oficially confirmed, but also excessively tested by me and many pple I know - with n00b armor, advanced armor, no armor vs. different kinds of monsters.

How did you think the armor works? Globally? That would mean, that if you'd be wearing a 60 AL set you would have e.g. 125 points of armor less than when wearing a warrior wyvern set, which is not the case - it's just 25 points on each location (which is poor enough =)

To sum up: the knight's/ascalon armor sets work best against low-dmg, high-frequency and elemental attacks (that is - the low dmg ones - e.g. you are much better off with a Knight's Set when fighting Elemental-Dmg Warriors - and almost all warriors use Elemental Dmg - har, har), cause then their dmg reduction reduces the damage more, than a higher AL would, it's especially good against DoT non-physical attacks. It's also good for e.g. Charr Hide farming (much better than any other set in fact) and charr hides equal fur squares. =) It's not better or worse than any other kind of armor - it just depends on your playing style - the thing with the Wyvern/Platemail sets is just the same as the Dragon Sword Phenomenon - everybody's using it, but only few pple know what benefits/disadvantages each kind of armor really has. -.-

P.S. No, I'm not using an Ascalon/Knight's Armor right now, so don't flame me for defending MY OWN type of armor. :-P

scorp121 · Jun 06, 2005, 05:32 AM // 05:32

So is this last post lore now?

egads · Jun 06, 2005, 05:43 AM // 05:43

I take this to be how it's currently working.

May 17, 2005, 02:28 PM // 14:28	#1
Kingsly Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: May 2005	Does absorption rune stack with Knight Armor dmg reduction? Since Knight Armor set already comes with damage reduction built into the armor. 1. Does the abosorption rune you apply to the armor stacks on top of the existing damage reduction built in? 2. If I add the absorption rune to the head piece, does it apply to the entire set of armor? Thanks!

May 19, 2005, 10:53 PM // 22:53	#16
Lifire Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2005	Well since SO many people would like to know, yet no one knows for sure, I decided to break down, take the time and money to test this. Ensign was mostly right in his post about this. I tested first with a full set of ringmail (AL 50) and 2 pieces of ascalon armor (with reduces dmg from attacks). Both have the same AL (verse magic), so things could be consistent. To be straightforward, ascalon pieces do NOT stack with one another. IE. you get the full effect from just one piece. Additionally, I had not know this before, so I did not get a result for the next question, but absorbion runes ONLY absorb PHYSICAL damage! I tested this with 2 pairs of regular ringmail with one having an absorbtion rune. I got hit by several ice golem water tridents, which have a consistent damage (unlike physical). The damage was the same throughout. I then took an average of physical attacks with the 2 different pieces from several types of mobs (ice golems, sand drakes), the minor absorbtion rune reduces PHYSICAL damage by 2, equivalent to ascalon armor. I assume major abs = -3 and superior -4 but did not test, as I don't want to buy another chest plate I also tested the absorbtion rune versus aftershock (sand drakes) and found the damage to be consistent with and without. I equipped a full set of droknar's plate (85 +10 physical) except for the chest (most often hit piece), which was AL 50 (+20 vs physical). I had a second AL 50 chest piece with an absorbtion rune in it. I MADE EXTRA sure that aftershock hit the chest piece because the damage was almost double that of any other piece (59 on any piece except armor but 125 on chest). I then switched to the chest piece with the abs rune and recieved 125 when it hit the chest (where it should have been 123 like it was with an ascalon piece). So, the only thing I am left wondering is if ascalon stacks with absorb runes in the sense that one reduces damage from all attacks (ascalon or knight) and one reduces only physical. If this is the case, the most suitable armor at level 20 is 1 piece of knight for dmg reduction verse magical (-2) and a full set of plate with a superior abs rune for -4 physical. A quick summary because this is a lot to take in and probably confusing: Ascalon and knights pieces do NOT stack with one another. If you MUST have this armor, get only ONE piece! Absorbtion runes only absorb physical damage (as seen versus water trident and aftershock). The only thing I can think of why this might not be the case is if those attacks ignore absorbtion, which is doubtful as ascalon and knights reduces the damage by 2 whereas abs runes do not. Minor absorbtion runes reduce physical damage taken by 2. I might test knights+abs rune later tonight. If anyone would like to verify these results, please do and GL. Edit: Also not sure if knight absorbs more than ascalon, will test that too. Last edited by Lifire; May 19, 2005 at 10:56 PM // 22:56..*

Jun 01, 2005, 10:40 PM // 22:40	#18
Lim-Dul Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Europe -> Poland -> Warsaw Guild: Alea Iacta Est [AIE] Profession: Me/W	OK guys - let me get this straight. It's true that each part of the Knight's/Ascalon Armor DOESN'T reduce dmg globally, but it does reduce it locally. It is also true that ir DOES stack with any absorption rune. People who claim that wearing one piece of Ascalon/Knight's Armor to get its full effect is enough are talking pure nonsense - I know that for 110% - ask the devs if you don't belive me. The thing is: there ARE hit locations in GW - if you're using only one piece of armor you'll get the dmg reduction only if you're hit in this specific part of your body. To sum up: if you're wearing a knight's set with a rune of superior absorption you have a dmg reduction of 5 all over your body - if you have just one piece, then you get a dmg reduction of 5 on THAT specific part of your body and just 3 on all the others (cause runes DO work globally). Not only has this been semi-oficially confirmed, but also excessively tested by me and many pple I know - with n00b armor, advanced armor, no armor vs. different kinds of monsters. How did you think the armor works? Globally? That would mean, that if you'd be wearing a 60 AL set you would have e.g. 125 points of armor less than when wearing a warrior wyvern set, which is not the case - it's just 25 points on each location (which is poor enough =) To sum up: the knight's/ascalon armor sets work best against low-dmg, high-frequency and elemental attacks (that is - the low dmg ones - e.g. you are much better off with a Knight's Set when fighting Elemental-Dmg Warriors - and almost all warriors use Elemental Dmg - har, har), cause then their dmg reduction reduces the damage more, than a higher AL would, it's especially good against DoT non-physical attacks. It's also good for e.g. Charr Hide farming (much better than any other set in fact) and charr hides equal fur squares. =) It's not better or worse than any other kind of armor - it just depends on your playing style - the thing with the Wyvern/Platemail sets is just the same as the Dragon Sword Phenomenon - everybody's using it, but only few pple know what benefits/disadvantages each kind of armor really has. -.- P.S. No, I'm not using an Ascalon/Knight's Armor right now, so don't flame me for defending MY OWN type of armor. :-P Last edited by Lim-Dul; Jun 01, 2005 at 10:49 PM // 22:49..

May 17, 2005, 02:36 PM // 14:36	#2
Striker Shardale Academy Page Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota Guild: Serious Gaming -SG- Profession: R/Mo	1- If it is the armor with the damage reduction, yes 2- The rune applies to you and does not stack with any rune, in other words... you can apply two runes of absorption onto two different pieces of armor but they will not work together, only one will work and it goes towards all damage dealt to you.

May 17, 2005, 02:36 PM // 14:36	#3
Tormunda Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005	1: I would say yes! As runes stack with other in built abilities. Runes give a prefix or sufix that cannot stack with others of the same and can only be replaced on an item. 2: Yes! As this is a rune ability and they do not stack with others of the same type across your whole equipment list. Highest wins!

May 17, 2005, 03:02 PM // 15:02	#4
Kingsly Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: May 2005	Thanks alot for helping out!

May 17, 2005, 03:15 PM // 15:15	#5
Manderlock Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: TX Guild: Crimson ScS Profession: W/N	Are yall shure about that, I was under the impression that there was no stacking period. I thought that Ensign did all of the math on it.

May 17, 2005, 03:21 PM // 15:21	#6
Striker Shardale Academy Page Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota Guild: Serious Gaming -SG- Profession: R/Mo	There is stacking in this situation... in a sense. The Knight Armor normally has the ability to reduce dmge without the rune, basically with the addition of the reduction rune it enhances it. Runes themselves do not stack if they are of the same type, it is true but the armor is not a rune. Either way you are only able to have one of the absorption runes on your character at a time, well you can have more of the runes but only the highest powered one will work.

May 17, 2005, 04:35 PM // 16:35	#7
seekg Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005	Ok, now that we've agreed that a piece of absorption armor (ascalon or knight) can stack with one absorption rune. Does 1 Piece of Knight armor (or ascalon) 'stack' with the other Knights armor (or ascalon) ? To the best of my knowledge, the answer is NO - you just get the 'natural' absorption from one piece of armor. So it appears ONE piece of knights or ascalon armor plus ONE absorption rune on any of the five pieces of armor would provide the optimal absorption, yes? Then, your remaining 4 armor slots you can fill with higher defense or higher armor vs physical (as compared to the lower knights or ascalon) Yes? -seekg

May 17, 2005, 06:51 PM // 18:51	#8
Kingsly Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: May 2005	The absorption rune will reduce damage done to all armor slots, not just the one you applied it to. I think that's the consensus so far.

May 17, 2005, 08:12 PM // 20:12	#9
seekg Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005	Kingsly: Right - but my question is. Ignore absorption runes for the moment - Will a full knights set give five times the absorption of one piece ? Or will only one piece count? That's my question. Thanks, seekg

May 18, 2005, 07:02 AM // 07:02	#10
Skrilling Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA	Well, This depends on a something that hase been debated back and forth for a while and that is how does armor work? There have been 4 ideas, one of which has been disproven but the other 3 still remain. They are: 1) there is a certian chance that an attack will hit a certain piece of armor (chest with highest chance, legs next, etc.) And that the damage you recieve is based on the stats of that piece (which supports the full kinghts suit). 2)The armor is an average of the armor you are wearing (calculated like morrowind for example). So, if you wear 1 piece vs all pieces, you will be hit for more, but you will be hit consistantly instead of 4 hits for 30, 1 hit for 2. This would partially support the full knights suit, as to get the full effect, you would need 1 absorb on every piece, with effectiveness deacreasing with fewer pieces. 3) The armor part is calculated in either of the previous 2 fashions, but the runes are not. This would mean that your best build would be 1 superior absorb rune, 1 piece of knights armor (becuase of the str rune on a str +1 hat effect,e.g. they stack) and the rest Platemail or Wyvern armor (for the +20 to physical or 85 base). So it all depends on what you think is right.

May 18, 2005, 09:07 AM // 09:07	#11
BigRagu Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: May 2005	how any1 ever tested these concepts............. im hoping to try it today........

May 18, 2005, 12:52 PM // 12:52	#12
seekg Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005	Right now I'm using Duelists Helm (80 +20) - Major Vigor Gladiators Hauberk (80 +20 +3 energy) - Minor Tactics Gladiators Gauntlets (80 +20 +1 energy) - Minor Strength Gladiators Leggings (80 +20 +2 energy) - Major Absorption Knights Boots (80 +10 -Damage Received) - Major Swordsmanship Seems to be working pretty well.... not sure if optimal. Will get superior vigor and absorption when I get the money. -seekg

May 18, 2005, 06:53 PM // 18:53	#14
BigRagu Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: May 2005	i disagree with the last post......... he tested the damage differences on flash gargoyles........ i noticed when fighting low lvl char with a lvl 20 somethings are different........ for example....... i was helping a friend and i was fighting charr......... i would reg attack for 110 then use a skill that hits for extra damage.... i would only hit with the skill for about 70........ with is totally backwards....... i think this would need to be tested on monsters around lvl 20 to hold any weight........... if your going to test armors on low lvls then use low lvl armors...............i'm hoping to test this today.............

May 19, 2005, 07:42 AM // 07:42	#15
Lifire Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2005	Can anyone get a direct answer from the dev. team? I sure would like to know, rather than guess or believe one side over the other. Some guy's test says they don't stack, someone else says they do...

May 26, 2005, 12:52 PM // 12:52	#17
adam.skinner Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2005 Guild: Elect of God [EoG] Profession: Mo/Me	Any update on if absorbtion runes stack with ascalon/knight's armor? Also, how does this stack with Shielding Hands?

Jun 06, 2005, 05:32 AM // 05:32	#19
scorp121 Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2005	So is this last post lore now?

Jun 06, 2005, 05:43 AM // 05:43	#20
egads Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2005	I take this to be how it's currently working.